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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:43 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:50 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:12 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:18 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:28 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:53 am | |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:18 am | |
| On the last pic of the previous post there is another deviation from the kit. I noticed on photos of the real boat that there is a rope half way up the stanchions. So I fitted little eyelets of 0.5mm brass rod and used elastic to represent the rope. I also did finish all the other hand rails on the hull but forgot to take pics before removing them again. I do intend to build at least part of an interior for this model, in part because I don't like blacked-out privacy glass and also so I can have the rear glass doors open to make the rear lower-deck less dark and dingy. With that in mind I had to cut out all the top-side of the hull and fit some wooden struts so that it wouldn't go all wobbly.  The rear rope holes were to be represented with more stickers, which I didn't like. So I cut them out of the hull.        I'll make some covers for them when I've made up the cleats and electric capstans otherwise I wont be able to get them in there. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:10 am | |
| Everything so far had been reasonably straightforward until trying to get the superstructure to fit the hull. To do this the deck planking had to be at least dry-fitted, as the superstructure sits on top of it. Problem! Not one single piece of deck planking would fit. Each and every piece was too big to fit -  The problem is that each piece has a border plank running all the way around it. Sure it could be sanded to fit, but this would be by different ammounts in different areas, and to my mind would look absolutely terrible. The only remaining solution was to gring away the hull itself until the wood parts would fit. As I began doing this I found myself sanding right through the hull in quite a few places and I have to admit I walked away from the model for several months at this point. I evetually went back to it, and built up the insides with bridging compound before reshaping everything. This took a very long time indeed.        I gave the hull a light coat of grey primer at this point because I find it easier to find imperfections that way.   |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:19 am | |
| Adding some bracing to the superstructure to pull in the sides closer to where they are supposed to be, and digging out the air-bubbles from the GRP moulding.   Oops! Forgot this bit so it's out of sequence. Fitting some styrene tube into the underwater light holes to give a uniform thickness.   |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:31 am | |
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Footski Captain (moderator)


Posts: 333 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 54 Location: Malaga, Spain
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:45 am | |
| Great build log. You really are doing her proud. i look forward to the rest. Thanks for posting. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:56 am | |
| Next I made a start on the equipment mast. This was going to need to be built from the top down as I wanted all the lights to work and no wires to be visible. Starting with the radar and masthead-light frame. This need to be made out of tubing to hide the wires. There was no way I was going to be able to bend brass or aluminium tube to such tight radii without crushing it. So it had to be styrene. The downside is that it wont look quite as nice and sharp as brass rod, and I was unable to get the rear part quite vertical as the styrene just would not hold that shape. the very fine wire has been robbed from an old mobile phone charger.  Then on to the mast itself - the lighting needed fitting first. All the domestic-type spotlighting is using micro ultra-bright LEDs in warm white. These LEDs are only 1.8 x 0.8 x 0.8mm.   I reinforced the side panels with bridger wherever a railing would need to be fitted later.     After sanding all this nicely to shape and smooth, I test fitted it to the superstructure only to find I'd put the side panels on at the wrong angle. If I'd started with this it would not have been much of an issue, but because I'd already fitted the masthead frame the error was obvious. So I had to carefully cut them off and start over. I did eventually get it looking ok though.     ...And that's all up to date. Will post more when I've made more progress. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:57 am | |
| Thanks Footski (Barry?)
Sorry, we were both posting at the same time. Confused me for a minute! |
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tattooed Deck Hand


Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-06-30 Age: 48 Location: Bristol
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:24 pm | |
| your doing a grand job there james wish you would have given me a call i could have got you some nice stainless steel for your hand mate |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:44 pm | |
| Cheers Andy.  Stainless Steel? You mean for the railings? That's ok mate, I was going to use chrome paint. I've used it before at work on cars and it looks pretty good, particularly with a black undercoat. Wouldn't I need a TIG to weld stainless? I've not done it before. I'll try experimenting with different stuff nearer to painting time and if the results not great I'll maybe take you up on that offer if it's still ok. Thanks. |
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tattooed Deck Hand


Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-06-30 Age: 48 Location: Bristol
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:50 pm | |
| i could tig weld it for you james or you can braze it also if you need some i've got some clear and smoked acrylic sheets if you need some |
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Damien Midshipman


Posts: 395 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 59 Location: Ballarat Vic. Aust.
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:12 pm | |
| Great build James well done. Damien.
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:28 pm | |
| Cheers Damien. I'll try not to mess up the rest of it [touches wood, avoids ladders and scatters salt about the place]
Andy - I might take you up on the offer of some smoked acrylic if I may. I have plenty of clear that I will use on the lower deck, but was unsure what to do on the flybridge. Smoke paint only works on one side and both will be visible. Needs to be a real light smoke tho'. |
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tattooed Deck Hand


Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-06-30 Age: 48 Location: Bristol
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:48 pm | |
| the acrylic is thick james about 5mm but i've also got some tinting film we use on the truck windows which your more than welcome to if its any use to you |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:48 pm | |
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scalloway41 Able Seaman


Posts: 36 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 46 Location: coventry
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:38 pm | |
| Stunning stuff. Following this with great interest. Keep up the good work. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:40 pm | |
| Thanks scalloway. Lots of work for little progress at the moment. The equipment mast, as per the kit is not quite the right shape at the rear. I'm assuming this is for ease of construction as they are horribly complex shapes. The knock-on effect of this is that the handrail between the mast-uprights has to be moved forward of it's stanchions in order that each end will have something to attach to. Enter stupid, and a decision was made to get all this as close to scale as possible. 3 days later (I kid you not) of foul language and torn hair, I have something to post. Was it worth it? Dunno. It'll now be much harder to glaze!           |
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tattooed Deck Hand


Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-06-30 Age: 48 Location: Bristol
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:05 pm | |
| your attention to detail james is out of this world , and just think when this one is done then you can start on hms bristol go on you know you want to mate |
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nhp651 Captain (moderator)


Posts: 757 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 60 Location: Fleetwood Lancashire
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:40 pm | |
| I've missed this up to now....what a superb build..............and boy oh boy what a super looking boat.
great stuff James.......I'll follow this one for sure.
neil. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:14 pm | |
| Thanks guys. Compliments indeed! Will not be getting it scale to the nth degree with everything, but where I think it's practical I shall try to improve on the kit. Not sure about Bristol next Andy. I'll get to it at some point, but am finding this build a bit of a chore to be honest, so maybe something a bit easier and definitely smaller by way of respite. However, I reserve the right to change my mind as there's a way to go yet! Today's installment is yet more railings. I got a bit carried away with the soldering-flame at one point while not having applied enough fire-paste, and scorched the sun-deck a bit black. They do say sunbathing is bad for you. All rectified with a little sanding tho'.     |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:00 pm | |
| A bit more work and a few problems encountered. If anyone has any advice on these, I'd be grateful. Fitting of the flybridge front-panel. For some reason I lined up the front edge when glueing, rather than the back edge that lines up with the decking. Ho hum, managed to grind it off okay with a dremel and stuck it back on properly. Also I cut out the hatchway and fitted the domestic-lighting sockets for the flybridge.   Did some tidying up around the underside of the companionway hatch, and hid the edge with some 2mm quarter-round styrene  I then did the domestic light fittings for the bulwarks. This was a very long job as access is difficult.        I realized I'd forgotten to file the lower edge of the steps to allow for the decking, so got that to fit.   Then I made some little capstans for the rear mooring ropes, and the hatch covers for them. The shape was made with a car brake-pipe flaring tool.    The following few pics show the problems I've found. I don't really know what to do about them so any suggestions would be most helpful. To be fair, Graupner do say this kit is aimed at advanced modellers, so I did expect to struggle. First up, there's a slight scuff on the removable section of the decking. I am hoping a few coats of varnish with sanding to make a level surface will make it much less obvious. Will it?   Next, the front of the superstructure is not wide enough to meet up with the decking. I've thought about building up these areas with some filler, but the step halfway up makes the job look very difficult as that line must be perfect.  Also at the bow, there's some piping moulded into the deck, that the wooden decking fits around - or rather, doesn't quite. It also isn't really very distinct in places, probably as it is unlikely to be one of the first hulls made from the mould. But the worst bit is that the forward left piece does not have the same angle as the bulwark that it is supposed to butt up against. It is hard to make out from the photo admittedly, but in the flesh is an eyesore that I haven't the first clue how to rectify.  |
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nhp651 Captain (moderator)


Posts: 757 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 60 Location: Fleetwood Lancashire
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:08 pm | |
| WOW!!!..........looking superb.
neil. |
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Damien Midshipman


Posts: 395 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 59 Location: Ballarat Vic. Aust.
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:39 pm | |
| | nhp651 wrote: | WOW!!!..........looking superb.
neil. |
Indeed it is great work James.
Damien. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:09 pm | |
| Thanks guys! I was a bit stuck with what to do with the foredeck, so I had a trawl around the inter-web for pictures. It would seem that the real boat is somewhat different to the kit in this area, in that the anchor winch lockers have a decking border and not a GRP one. So I decided to use the wood that the laser-cut parts had been removed from, and sand it to shape. I had to psyche myself up a bit to start grinding the moulding away, as it wasn't horribly bad. But I new it would ultimately annoy me on the finished model so it had to go. Got through a lot of double-sided tape on this bit! Pic1 - Stared at this for quite some time....  Pic2 - ....and then went for it with the dremel  Pic3 - Yet more filler  Pic4 - sand, sand and sand some more  Pic5- Dry fitting (sticky tape fitting) for template  Pic6 - Base styrene the same thickness as the decking  Pic7 - Just about managed to pursuade some styrene half-round to an acceptable shape. It did break on me in one area, but a blob of CA plugged the split and will only need a tiny smidge of filler later.  |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Tue May 01, 2012 7:43 pm | |
| The last of the detail work for the hull. Hooray! Put some styrene inserts in the forward cable-guides for a crisper shape, and fitted the tie-downs for the stern platform. Now it just needs a damn good clean, a wet sanding and one more coat of grey primer. After that if there are no major surface flaws, the hull-lights and the remaining jetdrive components can be fitted and then it's painting time (for the hull only, obviously). Could I actually be on the verge of serious progress?    |
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Damien Midshipman


Posts: 395 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 59 Location: Ballarat Vic. Aust.
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed May 02, 2012 12:58 am | |
| Looking great James, Have you fixed the scuff on the section of deck? if not with a paint small brush apply some water to the scuff area and allow to dry the water will raise the grain then a light sand with 600 grit will smooth it and will look much beter than it is now or will remove the scuff entirely. Cheers Damien. |
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Footski Captain (moderator)


Posts: 333 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 54 Location: Malaga, Spain
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed May 02, 2012 8:16 am | |
| Great tip Damien....
She is a work of art.. |
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed May 02, 2012 1:24 pm | |
| Thanks guys, and brilliant idea Damien; I shall definitely give that a go.
Some other things I could use advice on, if you're willing -
Is it possible to heat-bend clear styrene and sand the edges smooth without removing the protective film? I have to try and make these 3 glass panels just under the equipment mast - see pic (sorry it's so small) http://expediatenerifeproperty.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/tymc221.jpg
I would like to make the seats look as good as possible. Is some sort of cloth a good idea or is it maybe better to try to achieve the right scale look just with painting? I suppose the same question applies to carpets as well, any ideas? - seats pic http://newimages.yachtworld.com/resize/1/34/22/603422_0_220620101732_2.jpg
Scale is apparently 1:20. I've recently looked at what you get in the Amati Grand Banks kit - real upholstery (or it looks like it) I thought the stitching would look too big for scale, but it does look okay to me as does the same stuff for the Riva. Any idea what they use? |
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Damien Midshipman


Posts: 395 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 59 Location: Ballarat Vic. Aust.
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Wed May 02, 2012 1:37 pm | |
| Re your seat coverings I have used scrap clothing leather have a look at my seaport tug thread 4th pic down the grey seat cover is leather I originally got the leather as a bag of scraps on ebay the pic will give you an idea of thickness the scraps come in many colours & used for pants and jackets, you could use an old pair of jeans for denim look covers.
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James_H Able Seaman

Posts: 36 Join date: 2012-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu May 03, 2012 9:15 am | |
| Cheers Damien, that's some food for thought.
I've tried your water-trick on the decking area. Nothing seemed to be happening at first despite several applications. But on turning the piece upside down, I realised the grain on the underside had lifted and the damage was actually a split right the way through and not just a scuff. This hadn't been visible prior to the water treatment.
So I placed the decking piece face down on a flat surface and pushed the wood back as flat as I could before glueing a bit of wood on top of the split to reinforce it.
Now the water started lifting the topside grain and I sanded as much as I dared so as not to remove the caulking lines. The mark hasn't entirely gone but it is an order of magnitude better than before.
Thanks very much for that gem of advice. I am in your debt sir! |
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Damien Midshipman


Posts: 395 Join date: 2011-06-11 Age: 59 Location: Ballarat Vic. Aust.
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu May 03, 2012 11:24 am | |
| No payment necessary James happy to supply free gems as needed |
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Norseman Midshipman


Posts: 219 Join date: 2011-06-11 Location: Liverpool
 | Subject: Re: Graupner Manhattan 74 Thu May 03, 2012 1:12 pm | |
| | James_H wrote: | | I would like to make the seats look as good as possible. Is some sort of cloth a good idea? |
Hi James
I've just read this from start to here - very nice it is too.
Re upholstery - I needed something and elected to raid my wifes accessories hangar No3. I selected a white faux leather handbag (purchased in Turkey years ago and unused ever) and proceeded to unstitch it. Then a blade to clear the underside did the trick. It's quite thin now, will take a glue, and won't be affected by water. I suspect she will never notice ...... but I could have gone to a carboot sale for a handbag.
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